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Post by tailchaser on Jun 8, 2005 8:29:32 GMT -6
I have been reading about the re-introduction of the original Poes' cranks and the recent popularity of the bagly balsa cranks... here is the question:
does wood really make a difference?? (no jokes please)
i dont throw cranks alot, but when i do it is typically a plastic type... i dont think i even own a wood bait... i have fished with a couple of people that threw them... i outfished them, but i was throwing soft plastics so i cant really count that... but i didnt really see where there was that big of a difference... especially when considering big difference in price... What do yall think??
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Post by BassCat19 on Jun 8, 2005 17:34:14 GMT -6
Most of my crankin is rattle traps so I could'nt tell ya .
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Post by John Payette on Jun 8, 2005 18:22:14 GMT -6
Ed I use both wood and Plastic crankbaits. Since Rapala put out the DT Series (Balsa) this is what I prefer to use. The only drawback I see with wooden baits is they are subject to break when bounced off a dock. Pick up a few and see what you think or I will give you a few next time I see you to try out. They sell for $5.79 @bps
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Post by Robert on Jun 8, 2005 21:51:53 GMT -6
I use to fish Bagley's but finish damage allowed them to take on water and then they wouldn't run right.
I use to be on the Poe's field staff around 1990, so I use to fish the Poes exclusively.
Now I fish plastic in the winter and wood during the summer.
Wood has a wider wiggle than plastic.
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Post by tailchaser on Jun 13, 2005 9:19:33 GMT -6
thanks guys, one other question: are the wood baits more bouyant? or less?
ok, one more, does anyone make a wood bait that rattles?
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Post by Robert on Jun 16, 2005 8:14:33 GMT -6
thanks guys, one other question: are the wood baits more bouyant? or less? ok, one more, does anyone make a wood bait that rattles? Wood is less bouyant than an air chamber, but the weight of the plastic and hardware will have an effect of the plastic bait bouyantcy. It will be different, lure by lure. The Bagleys were great untill you broke the finish. We use to drill a hole thru the poe's side to side and epoxy rattles into the bait. Poes began doing it just before Dave Fritts endorsement took all the field staff money away.
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Post by Joel Babin on Jun 22, 2005 20:39:05 GMT -6
You can get a Poe's 400 w/rattles....I put an order for some Poe's 400 series the other day but only got two of the 5 i ordered. The rest are on back order.
I hear the older model Poe's were better, but that may just be a confidence thing. I know they have changed the lip design over the years. The older ones are very expensive if you actually find one.
I think it boils down to confidence....
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Post by cchamptr21 on Jun 23, 2005 7:25:36 GMT -6
lol they make wooden cranks? all i've used has been plastic, and i use them a lot, usually starting around june.... i have got some persuader cranks to try...they're wood.... i have a lot of cranks, and run through what i have till i find the one they can't resist.....
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Post by dave on Jun 23, 2005 19:58:28 GMT -6
I may have some one who may come over here, he will be able to help us out with wooden CB's!!!! I hope he makes it
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Post by The Fishing Coach on Jun 23, 2005 20:35:16 GMT -6
Looks like I have missed this thread so far...
Wood baits for starters are never two the same due to the density of the wood etc. Plastic CBs are always the same. What does that mean? When I fish wood (and I do a lot) they will never be the same twice so the fish are always seeing something different. Whether it be wobble, vibration, depth, finish, yaw, they (wood) are more buoyant, and on and on....Plus, they have no rattle...everyone uses rattles in their CBs so it is different now a days not to!
As Ricky Clunn the "guru" of CBs told me while we were talking about the Thunder Shad (sorry for the plug ;D), Clunn stated, "They are just like snowflakes, every one is just a little bit different"
On the other side, wood baits are more fragile. MY DT16s take a beating that a DD22 (gave up on them when I found the DT16s) will easily absorb.
Types of Wood:
Cedar...the heaviest, only Poe makes them, as neutral a buoyancy as you can get.
Balsa...Most common...Extremely buoyant
Jelutong...Moderate boyancy...Lightweight, I absolutely LOVE the Thunder Shad 600 top water (it looks like a diving bait)...Jelutong is very tough...also used by TS in saltwater baits...Balse cannot withstand toothy critters nor exploding top water bass.
Sugar Pine, think of Wood Choppers and Peacock Bass here. Buoyant and tough.
Basswood is the preferred wood for those that hand carve their own baits.
Any of this make sense?
cbs
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Post by tailchaser on Jun 24, 2005 7:05:44 GMT -6
WoW Bill, thanks for the info....
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Post by seminolefan on Jun 24, 2005 7:26:37 GMT -6
Hello everyone,
Dave asked me to come over and help answer this question, but the fishing coach correctly sums this up. Most plastic crankbaits run the same due to the fact they are molded. Wooden Crankbaits are all a little different. Even the ones that are mass produced due to the density of the wood. Hand crafted cranks almost always have suttle differences in them.
Another thing to remember is Round Baits wobble more than wiggle and do not produce the vibrations that a flat crankbait can, Hence the rattles.
IMHO, Rattles are designed to produce vibration, not noise. Fish do not have ears they have a latteral line that detects vibrations.
Since flat crankbaits wiggle and produce more vibrations in the water, they really dont need rattles.
I currently make a crankbait that is designed to produce a different wiggle, and slower rise than others on the market.
Thanks for inviting me over dave!
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Post by cchamptr21 on Jun 24, 2005 9:00:33 GMT -6
wow, that helped thanks!!!
need more wood!!! lol
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Post by The Fishing Coach on Jun 24, 2005 12:44:43 GMT -6
I ALWAYS need mor ewood, wait until you reach 55.
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