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Post by Won Hunglo on Jul 6, 2005 21:18:13 GMT -6
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Post by dave on Jul 6, 2005 21:33:33 GMT -6
that's a great observation there won!!!!!
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Post by PhilAddison on Jul 7, 2005 18:02:33 GMT -6
The only reason that you never hear of any problems with the rudes is because everyone here is smart enough to buy a Mercury or Yamaha. Great job OMC! Thanks for making the cost of my engine higher! Bomb's ETEC......not much better. Can't even design a gear case! You got to be kidding me! At least steal a copy from Mercury. By the way Won, all those lower units you go through are not because you hit something, its the design. It called normal operation! The only way Bombardier can compare performance is to compare against a 4 stroke. Targeting the blind. Only those that don't know better would believe all of that hype. They don't have an engine that will run with Mercury in the 2 cycle class so they direct attention to a 650 lb. Mercury Verado. LOL! It's OK Won.....you can go black and everyone will be looking at your back! As a matter of fact, I will give you a high five! LOL Thats what you get when you open a can of worms! LOL One of these days I'll take you for a ride in a real boat with a real engine! Phil
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Post by Joel Babin on Jul 9, 2005 8:02:21 GMT -6
d**n Phil....that was almost harsh!!! I will agree though, I don't think I will ever go back to Evinrude. I went through 3 lower units on a 99 150HP Ficht. When I wasn't sweating the lower unit going out, I was worring about blowing the power head. I now have one of the most dependable motors out there, a 2.5L Merc EFI and am very happy. The only thing I would like is to switch to is the new 3.0L Optimax for the fuel savings and added HP.
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Post by Won Hunglo on Jul 9, 2005 20:51:55 GMT -6
By the way Won, all those lower units you go through are not because you hit something, its the design. It called normal operation! Phil Don't tell my insurance company that. I hope they keep paying. Gotta put the Rudes on stand by. I will be taking the maiden voyage in my new to CVO spill boat powered by twin 115 Mercs on July 11th. I expect to have to be towed back in.
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Post by PhilAddison on Jul 10, 2005 17:07:55 GMT -6
Hey Won
You won't have to worry about the twin 115's breaking down if you keep fuel flowing through them. I can't believe we have a spill boat with twin 115's. No wonder I can't get a raise! I need to get on the spill team and you and I can go run the San Jac river on a Sunday afternoon. Who did you get the 115's from? I can see "crooked" written all over that one!! LOL! So, how much did you make?
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Post by Won Hunglo on Jul 10, 2005 18:09:35 GMT -6
Got it in an asset trade from one of the northern plants. Traded the old south plant command van for it strait up. I got the better part of that deal even if it has black engines on it.
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Post by Robert on Jul 10, 2005 21:00:38 GMT -6
Won,
That was a bad trade, you got swindled.
I will come by and pick that junk pile up on Wednesday, please send directions!
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Post by tailchaser on Jul 11, 2005 11:28:02 GMT -6
well, i might make a few of you mad, but when i get my next boat i plan to put a rude on it... i know yall will think i am crazy... i run a yamaha 200 now, and before this i blew up 3 evinrudes/johnsons so i am speaking from a little bit of experience....
I will say that the 200 rude i had on my last boat would have smoked the 200 yama i have on this boat... no questions.. my dad has had mercs all his life and he could mot believe the difference between his merc and my rude... the 200 i had would smoke 225 mercs all day long.... now the bad part... i blew up all three because of the VRO pump.. the pump that mixes the gas & oil.. when it goes, the motor goes.. or should i say the #6 piston (the first one that gets the straight gas) i swore i would never have another until they fixed that pump... well now i understand they have... i believe they went to a gravity fed system like yama & merc... so..... i will be going back... i think hp vs. hp there is no match, the rudes have much better low end torque (better hole shot) i was running a 27 pitch prop on a 200 on a 20' champion and getting 78mph on the gps... 75mph loaded... besides, they are cheaper and you get a 7 year factory warranty...
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Post by Joel Babin on Jul 11, 2005 12:01:26 GMT -6
Ed, the new yami's have a 3.3L just the same as Evinrude. So, they should have relatively the same HP. Now your just talking dependability, and Yamaha is far better than Evinrude. I (dad) have always owned Evinrudes. Mostly smaller engines no bigger than 90HP. Ever since the new Ficht technology, it doesn't seem as if Evinrude has made a really good dependable motor. I don't know if my buddy is cursed or not, but he has been fishing BFL and TTT as a co-angler for a few years and has been in the boat when 3 Evinrudes have blown up. One was during the BFL All American and that was a brand new motor!!! Plus you can purchase an extended factory warranty for a little extra for peace of mind. Go Yamaha if you want HP....or a Merc 250 proxs for speed.... (poke poke prod prod.....)
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Post by PhilAddison on Jul 11, 2005 15:20:16 GMT -6
200 hp engine running 78 mph on a 20' Champion..... I would have to see it to believe. You would have to turn your 27p prop, 6000 rpms at 5-7% slip. Those slip % numbers are excellent for an Allison or Bullet. A Champion is more like 10%-12% on a good day. I can't even do that with a 250 XS on a 20' Bass Cat!
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Post by John Payette on Jul 11, 2005 15:35:05 GMT -6
Geez this is getting good I would to see some races ;D
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Post by John Payette on Jul 11, 2005 15:36:45 GMT -6
My 03 ZX225 with a 225HP 3.1L Boat runs around 73 mph on GPS. Whats your Puma with the 250 on it running Phil?
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Post by tailchaser on Jul 11, 2005 16:23:21 GMT -6
i had a 1995 204 elite, i am told that was the last of the "fast" champions. i was running 5900 rpms and i am pretty sure it was a 27 prop... maybe ... it was a "Raker" .. the one it came with from redwing... but yes, 78 on the gps... a buddy of mine bought a 20' ranger with a 225 merc and coupld not believe i was outrunning him....
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Post by PhilAddison on Jul 11, 2005 17:22:22 GMT -6
If it was a raker prop then it was even slower. If you were spinning it 5900 rpms then you're down to 4% slip. I didn't know there was such a thing as a "fast Champion". I owned a '94 19' Champion with a 200 Mercury EFI and it would only do 65. It would barely do 70 on speedometer. I could only turn a 25p Yamaha Pro V prop 5800 rpms. I had a friend who had a 95 20' Champion with a 200 Mercury and he was slower than I. A 20' Ranger with a 225 Mercury is only a high 60's gps boat on the average. On a good day maybe low 70's with no load, no gas.
John
My Puma would run anywhere between 78 and 83 depending on load and weather conditions. 78 loaded with two people and 83 was w/ no tackle, me alone, 1/4 tank of gas in February. Most of the time it would run between 80 - 81 with me in it by myself and carrying whatever. Turned a 28 pitch Mercury Trophy prop 6000 rpms. Still had 10% slip. 10% is good for boats that weigh over 1400 pounds.
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Post by 302w on Jul 12, 2005 13:01:15 GMT -6
The only reason that you never hear of any problems with the rudes is because everyone here is smart enough to buy a Mercury or Yamaha. Great job OMC! Thanks for making the cost of my engine higher! Bomb's ETEC......not much better. Can't even design a gear case! You got to be kidding me! At least steal a copy from Mercury. By the way Won, all those lower units you go through are not because you hit something, its the design. It called normal operation! The only way Bombardier can compare performance is to compare against a 4 stroke. Targeting the blind. Only those that don't know better would believe all of that hype. They don't have an engine that will run with Mercury in the 2 cycle class so they direct attention to a 650 lb. Mercury Verado. LOL! It's OK Won.....you can go black and everyone will be looking at your back! As a matter of fact, I will give you a high five! LOL Thats what you get when you open a can of worms! LOL One of these days I'll take you for a ride in a real boat with a real engine! Phil Phil- im sure you know a lot more about this stuff than me, but correct if I'm wrong but didn't Merc come out with the 225 Pro XS to compete with Bomb 225 HO?
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Post by BassCat19 on Jul 12, 2005 17:56:01 GMT -6
OH YEA !! Well BooBoo
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Post by PhilAddison on Jul 12, 2005 20:46:04 GMT -6
Lets see......I think Ficht preceded Optimax too. So why not brag about that? I'll give Evinrude credit for cheating the law. They had to do something to get back in the ball game. They put out an engine that put out more than the alloted 10%! Since, they've scaled back and are nearly as "hot" as they were when first introduced.
Bomb better hope that the market will bare 2 strokes for a while. If not, then they will be history too! I hate to say it, but the 4 strokes are here to stay. All you have to do is a little research on the forums around the net and there is more and more curiosity about 4 stroke engines. 5 years from now there will be as many, if not more 4 strokes purchased than 2 strokes. By then, the Verado will be 50-100 lbs. lighter, putting out max hp, and be eating up everything in the water. The reason for the shark in promos!
Evinrude will be third for a long time. I guess that's a step ahead of Honda, Suzuki, and Tohatsu. Now lets talk about Race engines. Evinrude, I mean Bombadier got any?
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Post by Won Hunglo on Jul 15, 2005 21:53:55 GMT -6
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Post by hav2fish on Aug 2, 2005 5:10:23 GMT -6
Why? If the etec offers better emissions then a four stroke, what makes you think they will be history? That's why they compare it to the four stroke!!! It's a two stroke that does better than a four stroke, so why not say I can do more with less? We're not talking OMC anymore either! It's the BOMB now baby! I'm pretty sure they know how to build engines!!! It's easy to get Phil worked up! Just talk about something other than what he has! It's all good Shane
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Post by Champ196 on Aug 2, 2005 10:20:36 GMT -6
I've had three Rudes and never had any problems. Had one Merc and that was a mistake, but that could have been my fault, who knows. Don't know anything about Yama's. Whatever you have is alway's the best because you spent hard earned money for it and most people wouldn't admit to making a marketing mistake. Today's outboards are all good, it's just whatever make's you a happy camper. If I ever buy another motor it will be a Rude, just my preference Sandy.
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